I drove a nail tonight.

Not a big deal?   Except that it's a nail to hang the 'shoppe clock' (in a
place I'll seldom look) in my OWN Wall and In my OWN Shoppe.  And, in my OWN
house, too.

Short reminder - Been a Lutheran Pastor for 25+ years.  Born in Louisiana -
graduated from Semnary in Ft. Wayne, Indiana.  College in Ann Arbor, MI.
Served parishes in Arkansas, Tennessee, Texas along the way.  Escaped
recently into Kentucky.  We have running water & 'lectricity if needed.
Along the way had a wife for many years, raised a small litter of kids,
etc.  After a short period being "singled" the Almighty blessed me with one
who puts up with me pretty well - and with whom I am very happy.

Bought a house.  Note:  despite what you have heard this is NOT a 'buyers
market' - nor - is it a seller's market.   (insert comment re. frustration
with with the entire economy here.)   For the past 25 years I've been living
in rented quarters or the "company house", aka a parsonage.  Having my own
house is a new experience.   (handymen are welcome.  We have three extra
bedrooms and two extra bathrooms.  (both with running water.)

Ended up with a beautiful home - some 50 years old, very little updates for
the past 30+ so we have quite a few projects to get done (I'm not a home
repairman so much done by faithful 'others').  Very private back yard with
my own groundhog (never seen a groundhog in prior locations - they get eaten
my the armadillos & the nutria in Louisiana.)

AND a little shoppe space, too.  The house is 2,500 sq feet - - and I don't
guess that counts the unfinished basement which is underneath the entire
house!  (yes, except for a 2 car garage... about 2,500 sq feet of 'shoppe
space!!

After having my told in storage for 3+ years it's been quite interesting
finding, discovering, repairing, etc... the old collec.... err... group of
tools.  Some of them have tails, but trying to use the one's without them.
It's more peaceful like that, as you know.

So, after a while... I guess I found a need to hang the clock.

Old Tool content - used a very old hammer.

Things are well.. except for when they aren't.

Happy to be around.

(yes, that's over 2,000 sq ft.)

Mark L. in Austin - eat your heart out.

Love to all.

Thomas Hoyt
Winchester, KY
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Still following in the ways of the Carpenter are you?  He used the
non-tailed tools also.  Welcome to this list of galoots.

JimS

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldtools-bounces@r... [mailto:oldtools-
> bounces@r...] On Behalf Of Thomas Hoyt
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:02 PM
> To: oldtools
> Subject: [OldTools] Drove a Nail (bio update)
> 
> I drove a nail tonight.
> 
> Not a big deal?   Except that it's a nail to hang the 'shoppe clock' (in a
> place I'll seldom look) in my OWN Wall and In my OWN Shoppe.  And, in my
> OWN
> house, too.
> 
> Short reminder - Been a Lutheran Pastor for 25+ years.  Born in Louisiana
> -
> graduated from Semnary in Ft. Wayne, Indiana.  College in Ann Arbor, MI.
> Served parishes in Arkansas, Tennessee, Texas along the way.  Escaped
> recently into Kentucky.  We have running water & 'lectricity if needed.
> Along the way had a wife for many years, raised a small litter of kids,
> etc.  After a short period being "singled" the Almighty blessed me with
> one
> who puts up with me pretty well - and with whom I am very happy.
> 
> Bought a house.  Note:  despite what you have heard this is NOT a 'buyers
> market' - nor - is it a seller's market.   (insert comment re. frustration
> with with the entire economy here.)   For the past 25 years I've been
> living
> in rented quarters or the "company house", aka a parsonage.  Having my own
> house is a new experience.   (handymen are welcome.  We have three extra
> bedrooms and two extra bathrooms.  (both with running water.)
> 
> Ended up with a beautiful home - some 50 years old, very little updates
> for
> the past 30+ so we have quite a few projects to get done (I'm not a home
> repairman so much done by faithful 'others').  Very private back yard with
> my own groundhog (never seen a groundhog in prior locations - they get
> eaten
> my the armadillos & the nutria in Louisiana.)
> 
> AND a little shoppe space, too.  The house is 2,500 sq feet - - and I
> don't
> guess that counts the unfinished basement which is underneath the entire
> house!  (yes, except for a 2 car garage... about 2,500 sq feet of 'shoppe
> space!!
> 
> After having my told in storage for 3+ years it's been quite interesting
> finding, discovering, repairing, etc... the old collec.... err... group of
> tools.  Some of them have tails, but trying to use the one's without them.
> It's more peaceful like that, as you know.
> 
> So, after a while... I guess I found a need to hang the clock.
> 
> Old Tool content - used a very old hammer.
> 
> Things are well.. except for when they aren't.
> 
> Happy to be around.
> 
> (yes, that's over 2,000 sq ft.)
> 
> Mark L. in Austin - eat your heart out.
> 
> Love to all.
> 
> Thomas Hoyt
> Winchester, KY
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage,
> value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of
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Glad you didn't hit your finger and raise a blood blister, Tom!

Even gladder that you are in a nice new house all your own and that you 
have all that potential shop space.

I remember the day I met you at a tool sale in Austin and we met Mark 
Lovett Wells and Mateo and had a great lunch and even finer time 
"passin' howdy".

Congratulations!  We'll look forward to other reports.

Bob Hutchins
Temple, TX, USA

On 2/27/2011 9:02 PM, Thomas Hoyt wrote:
> I drove a nail tonight.
>
> Not a big deal?   Except that it's a nail to hang the 'shoppe clock' (in a
> place I'll seldom look) in my OWN Wall and In my OWN Shoppe.  And, in my OWN
> house, too.
>
> Short reminder - Been a Lutheran Pastor for 25+ years.  Born in Louisiana -
> graduated from Semnary in Ft. Wayne, Indiana.  College in Ann Arbor, MI.
> Served parishes in Arkansas, Tennessee, Texas along the way.  Escaped
> recently into Kentucky.  We have running water&  'lectricity if needed.
> Along the way had a wife for many years, raised a small litter of kids,
> etc.  After a short period being "singled" the Almighty blessed me with one
> who puts up with me pretty well - and with whom I am very happy.
>
> Bought a house.  Note:  despite what you have heard this is NOT a 'buyers
> market' - nor - is it a seller's market.   (insert comment re. frustration
> with with the entire economy here.)   For the past 25 years I've been living
> in rented quarters or the "company house", aka a parsonage.  Having my own
> house is a new experience.   (handymen are welcome.  We have three extra
> bedrooms and two extra bathrooms.  (both with running water.)
>
> Ended up with a beautiful home - some 50 years old, very little updates for
> the past 30+ so we have quite a few projects to get done (I'm not a home
> repairman so much done by faithful 'others').  Very private back yard with
> my own groundhog (never seen a groundhog in prior locations - they get eaten
> my the armadillos&  the nutria in Louisiana.)
>
> AND a little shoppe space, too.  The house is 2,500 sq feet - - and I don't
> guess that counts the unfinished basement which is underneath the entire
> house!  (yes, except for a 2 car garage... about 2,500 sq feet of 'shoppe
> space!!
>
> After having my told in storage for 3+ years it's been quite interesting
> finding, discovering, repairing, etc... the old collec.... err... group of
> tools.  Some of them have tails, but trying to use the one's without them.
> It's more peaceful like that, as you know.
>
> So, after a while... I guess I found a need to hang the clock.
>
> Old Tool content - used a very old hammer.
>
> Things are well.. except for when they aren't.
>
> Happy to be around.
>
> (yes, that's over 2,000 sq ft.)
>
> Mark L. in Austin - eat your heart out.
>
> Love to all.
>
> Thomas Hoyt
> Winchester, KY
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool
> aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage,
> value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of
> traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools.
>
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On Feb 27, 2011, at 10:02 PM, Thomas Hoyt wrote:

> I drove a nail tonight.
> 
> Not a big deal?   Except that it's a nail to hang the 'shoppe clock' (in a
> place I'll seldom look) in my OWN Wall and In my OWN Shoppe.  And, in my OWN
> house, too.

Now you're in for it. Start driving nails and you need more hammers! Congrats.

Bill
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tom-
congrats on the house.  given that you're on this list, I'd say that you're 
better off than the last owner of the house I used to live in outside of 
pittsburgh.  That gentlemen was a Presbyterian minister, and one of the many 
things that were said about him was that "He followed the carpenter, but he 
sure as heck wasn't one!"
My ex-wife used to laugh whenever I was doing corrective work, because 
various terms would be echoing through the ductwork - usually starting with 
"What the . . . ?  How did he manage to do that?  *&%^ing Larry!!!"

no lie, I went to replace the return air vents, and found that they'd been 
attached to the walls w/ Liquid Nails (very strong Construction Adhesive, 
usually used for attaching plywood to floor joists, Jeff).  That's when I 
learned how to patch plaster walls - about 3 sq. feet of plaster came off 
w/out warning.  I won't go into the attempts at electrical work, or the door 
that was hung w/ the manual turn for the deadbolt on the OUTSIDE!

OT content - nothing really, other than shared experiences in home 
ownership, and using hand tools to fix them.

Dennis - in very wet and stormy SE Pennsylvania

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Thomas Hoyt" 
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:02 PM
To: "oldtools" 
Subject: [OldTools] Drove a Nail (bio update)

> I drove a nail tonight.
>
> Not a big deal?   Except that it's a nail to hang the 'shoppe clock' (in a
> place I'll seldom look) in my OWN Wall and In my OWN Shoppe.  And, in my 
> OWN
> house, too.
>
> Short reminder - Been a Lutheran Pastor for 25+ years.  Born in 
> Louisiana -
> graduated from Semnary in Ft. Wayne, Indiana.  College in Ann Arbor, MI.
> Served parishes in Arkansas, Tennessee, Texas along the way.  Escaped
> recently into Kentucky.  We have running water & 'lectricity if needed.
> Along the way had a wife for many years, raised a small litter of kids,
> etc.  After a short period being "singled" the Almighty blessed me with 
> one
> who puts up with me pretty well - and with whom I am very happy.
>
> Bought a house.  Note:  despite what you have heard this is NOT a 'buyers
> market' - nor - is it a seller's market.   (insert comment re. frustration
> with with the entire economy here.)   For the past 25 years I've been 
> living
> in rented quarters or the "company house", aka a parsonage.  Having my own
> house is a new experience.   (handymen are welcome.  We have three extra
> bedrooms and two extra bathrooms.  (both with running water.)
>
> Ended up with a beautiful home - some 50 years old, very little updates 
> for
> the past 30+ so we have quite a few projects to get done (I'm not a home
> repairman so much done by faithful 'others').  Very private back yard with
> my own groundhog (never seen a groundhog in prior locations - they get 
> eaten
> my the armadillos & the nutria in Louisiana.)
>
> AND a little shoppe space, too.  The house is 2,500 sq feet - - and I 
> don't
> guess that counts the unfinished basement which is underneath the entire
> house!  (yes, except for a 2 car garage... about 2,500 sq feet of 'shoppe
> space!!
>
> After having my told in storage for 3+ years it's been quite interesting
> finding, discovering, repairing, etc... the old collec.... err... group of
> tools.  Some of them have tails, but trying to use the one's without them.
> It's more peaceful like that, as you know.
>
> So, after a while... I guess I found a need to hang the clock.
>
> Old Tool content - used a very old hammer.
>
> Things are well.. except for when they aren't.
>
> Happy to be around.
>
> (yes, that's over 2,000 sq ft.)
>
> Mark L. in Austin - eat your heart out.
>
> Love to all.
>
> Thomas Hoyt
> Winchester, KY
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage,
> value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of
> traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools.
>
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Tom=2C Congratulations on your house purchase. As one who has lived in 4
old houses of varying ages=2C I can tell you that you don't own an old
house=2C they own you. You'll find out. Anyone want to make book on how
long it is before we hear him wondering how to get a bigger shop......
Enjoy. Walt C Saw his shop emerge from the snow in melting weather=2C
now it's below 0 again=2C

> Date: Sun=2C 27 Feb 2011 22:02:16 -0500 From: oldtruckrus@g... To:
> oldtools@r... Subject: [OldTools] Drove a Nail (bio update)
>> I drove a nail tonight. Not a big deal? Except that it's a nail to
>> hang the 'shoppe clock' (in a
> place I'll seldom look) in my OWN Wall and In my OWN Shoppe. And=2C in
> my OWN house=2C too.
>> Short reminder - Been a Lutheran Pastor for 25+ years. Born in
>> Louisiana -
> graduated from Semnary in Ft. Wayne=2C Indiana. College in Ann
> Arbor=2C MI. Served parishes in Arkansas=2C Tennessee=2C Texas along
> the way. Escaped recently into Kentucky. We have running water &
> 'lectricity if needed. Along the way had a wife for many years=2C
> raised a small litter of kids=2C etc. After a short period being
> "singled" the Almighty blessed me with one who puts up with me pretty
> well - and with whom I am very happy.
>> Bought a house. Note: despite what you have heard this is NOT a
>> 'buyers
> market' - nor - is it a seller's market. (insert comment re.
> frustration with with the entire economy here.) For the past 25 years
> I've been living in rented quarters or the "company house"=2C aka a
> parsonage. Having my own house is a new experience. (handymen are
> welcome. We have three extra bedrooms and two extra bathrooms. (both
> with running water.)
>> Ended up with a beautiful home - some 50 years old=2C very little
>> updates for
> the past 30+ so we have quite a few projects to get done (I'm not a
> home repairman so much done by faithful 'others'). Very private back
> yard with my own groundhog (never seen a groundhog in prior locations
> - they get eaten my the armadillos & the nutria in Louisiana.)
>> AND a little shoppe space=2C too. The house is 2=2C500 sq feet - -
>> and I don't
> guess that counts the unfinished basement which is underneath the
> entire house! (yes=2C except for a 2 car garage... about 2=2C500 sq
> feet of 'shoppe space!!
>> After having my told in storage for 3+ years it's been quite
>> interesting
> finding=2C discovering=2C repairing=2C etc... the old collec....
> err... group of tools. Some of them have tails=2C but trying to use
> the one's without them. It's more peaceful like that=2C as you know.
>> So=2C after a while... I guess I found a need to hang the clock. Old
>> Tool content - used a very old hammer. Things are well.. except for
>> when they aren't. Happy to be around. (yes=2C that's over 2=2C000 sq
>> ft.) Mark L. in Austin - eat your heart out. Love to all. Thomas Hoyt
> Winchester=2C KY
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
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On Mar 2, 2011, walter cheever  wrote: 

:: I can tell you that you don't own an old house, they own you. You'll find out
.

Ha!  You think that's bad?  Buy an old boat.

- Bill T.
- Being reminded on a regular basis that "BOAT" stands for "Break Out Another Th
ousand." 
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On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Thomas Hoyt  wrote:
> Short reminder - Been a Lutheran Pastor for 25+ years.
...
> (yes, that's over 2,000 sq ft.)
>
> Mark L. in Austin - eat your heart out.

(I work out of a 9x19 garage, which Tom has visited.)

This is my Sputnik Moment.  The Space Race is on!  Good thing I can
define the rules:  "Who can complete more projects per square foot of
shop space?"

Mark
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SNIP

(I work out of a 9x19 garage, which Tom has visited.)

This is my Sputnik Moment.  The Space Race is on!  Good thing I can
define the rules:  "Who can complete more projects per square foot of
shop space?"

END SNIP

Ok, you're on.  I work out of an 11x20 room in my garage.  Just finished a
solid walnut cradle which I also designed from scratch (pictures soon), and
am working on an oak tool chest and a walnut hope chest.

Joe

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Foul

Foul

This whole project process is rigged. It requires completing stuff.

My money goes to Mike S (nicknaylo), as his shop is TINY.

Kirk in HMB, CA, where it might dry out today.

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 8:08 AM,  wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2011, Scott Stager  wrote:
>
> :: Well, given those rules, I win. Zero shop space divided into
> :: anything is by definition infinity.
>
> The rule was projects per shop space, not shop space per projects.
> =A0So you're dividing number of projects by shop space.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ok, it's time for an expert to chime in (Ph.D. Mathematics, Caltech,
1976). "space divided into anything" is the same as "dividing number
of projects by shop space", i.e. (# of Projects)/(shop space). So,
Scott wins unless his number of projects ("anything") is zero. In that
case we enter a whole different realm of mathematics and Scott needs
to get to work!

I'll leave the question of measurement units to the physicists out
there. Joe Parker - a PHooey Doctor, not a Money Doctor Los Gatos, CA


 ------ Original Message ------ Received: 08:08 AM PST, 03/09/2011 From:
 w.taggart@v... To: stagers@m...
   Cc: oldtools@r... Subject: Re: Re: [OldTools] Drove a Nail (bio
       update)





      On Mar 9, 2011, Scott Stager  wrote:

      :: Well, given those rules, I win. Zero shop space divided into
anything
      :: is by definition infinity.

      The rule was projects per shop space, not shop space per projects.
      So you're dividing number of projects by shop space.

      - Bill T.

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On Mar 9, 2011, at 8:28 AM, Mark Lovett Wells wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Thomas Hoyt   
> wrote:
>> Short reminder - Been a Lutheran Pastor for 25+ years.
> ...
>> (yes, that's over 2,000 sq ft.)
>>
>> Mark L. in Austin - eat your heart out.
>
> (I work out of a 9x19 garage, which Tom has visited.)
>
> This is my Sputnik Moment.  The Space Race is on!  Good thing I can
> define the rules:  "Who can complete more projects per square foot of
> shop space?"

Well, given those rules, I win.  Zero shop space divided into anything  
is by definition infinity.

--Scott
>
> Mark
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Scott Stager
Columbia Missouri

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On Mar 9, 2011, Scott Stager  wrote: 

:: Well, given those rules, I win. Zero shop space divided into anything 
:: is by definition infinity.

The rule was projects per shop space, not shop space per projects.  So you're di
viding number of projects by shop space.  

- Bill T.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

GG,
 Well heck, I gotta be in the running for this one...1500 sq. ft. one project th
is year. I recently constructed a 21" x 21" wooden square per Chris S. and P/W..
. 
 If we can count projects "in the works" my avg. might go up a little.
 Oh,Oh, can we count de-construction? I recently stripped and destroyed a termit
e barf entertainment center (which I now need to replace). A project my wife tol
d her best friend I would be glad to do.
Roy Griggs
roygriggs@w...
www.shavingsandsawdust.com

---- w.taggart@v... wrote: 
> 
> 
> On Mar 9, 2011, Scott Stager  wrote: 
> 
> :: Well, given those rules, I win. Zero shop space divided into anything 
> :: is by definition infinity.
> 
> > The rule was projects per shop space, not shop space per projects.  So you'r
e dividing number of projects by shop space.  
> 
> - Bill T.

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On Mar 9, 2011, Kirk Eppler  wrote: 

:: Foul
:: 
:: 
:: Foul
:: 
:: 
:: This whole project process is rigged.  It requires completing stuff.

Indeed.  If we count projects BEGUN or "in process", I should be a strong conten
der.  

384 sq. ft. shop space (16 x 24), way too many projects "in process."  

And I note that the original challenge did not state that they had to be woodwor
king projects, or any type of project in particular - just "projects."  

I currently have a 4-cylinder sailboat engine spread all over my supposed woodwo
rking shop, in hundreds of pieces.  The reassembly will begin soon, hopefully.  

- Bill T.
- Who also gained a little more potential space last night in the garage, with t
he sale of the spare car.  Wifey already has cautioned against filling up said s
pace, however.  I did go out there last night and put the legs on my forge (whic
h until that time had been disassembled and buried behind a pile of plywood) and
 stood it in the middle of the empty space, just to get a feel for where it migh
t reside.  As one might imagine, wifey is thrilled at the thought of a coal forg
e operating in the garage, which still houses her car.  
------------------------------------------------------------------------

A shop is always too small no matter how large you build it, usually by 
a factor of 15% or more. If you plan on making a 20 foot long canoe your 
shop will be too small. If you are going out there to escape the house 
and de-rust tools it should be fine. 8 x 12 is pretty small, especially 
if you have guests over. It is also a lot better than what you have now.
Mike

On 03/09/2011 11:12 AM, Tom Dugan wrote:
> > OK, not that I'm in danger of actually completing any projects, but I'd like
 to hear some opinions about something I'm contemplating.
>
> > Right now both of my "shops" are in unheated, un-airconditioned spaces, leav
ing me little time to work in comfort. I'm kicking around the idea of sealing an
d insulating an 8X12 shed that can be heated and cooled with little trouble.
>
> > Is 8X12 going to be big enough? Obviously, wood storage and large power tool
s won't live there.
>
> -T
> PS - Fitted out, the interior would be more like 7X11.
>
>
>> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:59:19 -0600
>> From: w.taggart@v...
>> To: eppler.kirk@g...
>> Subject: Re: Re: Re: [OldTools] Drove a Nail (bio update)
>> CC: oldtools@r...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2011, Kirk Eppler  wrote:
>>
>> :: Foul
>> ::
>> ::
>> :: Foul
>> ::
>> ::
>> :: This whole project process is rigged.  It requires completing stuff.
>>
>>
>> >> Indeed.  If we count projects BEGUN or "in process", I should be a strong 
contender.
>>
>> 384 sq. ft. shop space (16 x 24), way too many projects "in process."
>>
>> >> And I note that the original challenge did not state that they had to be w
oodworking projects, or any type of project in particular - just "projects."
>>
>> >> I currently have a 4-cylinder sailboat engine spread all over my supposed 
woodworking shop, in hundreds of pieces.  The reassembly will begin soon, hopefu
lly.
>>
>> - Bill T.
>> >> - Who also gained a little more potential space last night in the garage, 
with the sale of the spare car.  Wifey already has cautioned against filling up 
said space, however.  I did go out there last night and put the legs on my forge
 (which until that time had been disassembled and buried behind a pile of plywoo
d) and stood it in the middle of the empty space, just to get a feel for where i
t might reside.  As one might imagine, wifey is thrilled at the thought of a coa
l forge operating in the garage, which still houses her car.
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Phil has neglected to mention that he's also taken on a local apprentice
of sorts, whos projects I do believe reside (and thus take up space) at
Phil's house.

On Mar 9, 2011, at 11:23 AM, Phil Washburn wrote:

> I think I have a shot at this one. I have completed two projects in
> the last three months. A cutting board I promised SWMBO two years ago
> and an night stand to match the headboard I built five years ago.
> Can't even say how long ago I promised that one. I also am almost done
> with a new workbench.
>> All this has been accomplished in my garage workshop which if you
>> factor in family storage is only about 100 sq. ft. And I do have
>> pictures to show just how messy...and small it is. Phil W
> Las Cruces, NM

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On Mar 9, 2011, Tom Dugan  wrote: 

:: Is 8X12 going to be big enough? 

Big enough to do what?  

Build a king-sized, four-poster bed?  

No. 

Build a 16-foot canoe?  

No.  

But for puttering about with some hand tools and small projects, I don't see why
 not.  

By the time you get a decent bench in there, you'll be down to more like 8 x 10 
floor space.

What about the possibility of insulating one of your other, larger spaces?  

I just called the insulation contractor today about spraying cellulose into the 
open walls of my garage - primarily to help keep that end of the house the same 
temp as the rest of the house.  The big room above the garage always is too cold
 in the winter and too hot in the summer.  I'm hoping that insulating the garage
 and enclosing the walls will help that. 

- Bill T.
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On Mar 9, 2011, Bill Ghio  wrote: 

On Mar 9, 2011, at 11:59 AM, w.taggart@v... wrote:

:: > 
:: > - Who also gained a little more potential space last night in the garage, w
ith the sale of the spare car.  
:: 
:: Noooo, Bill, not the Miata?!!

Yes, the Miata...  I know.  

I was a bit surprised myself - I didn't realize how much I was going to miss tha
t little car until I watched the new owner drive it away last night and saw the 
taillights receding into the darkness as that raspy little exhaust tone faded of
f into the distance...

But daughter #1 will be getting her license in a couple months and we'll have to
 get a more sensible, safe car for her to use.  I certainly can't justify four c
ars.  

I also sold my 17-foot trailer sailer on Sunday.  Getting rid of a couple excess
 toys, making some much-needed space.  

- Bill T.
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 Kirk Eppler wrote:

"My money goes to Mike S (nicknaylo), as his shop is TINY."

Yeah, but he also completes things. Quite often, is my impression. Surely there 
are some of us who have gone for a decade or two without completion?

Tom Conroy
Berkeley
Out of contention (as I have already completed something this year) unless you f
actor in the ratio of stalled projects to completed projects. Or maybe projects 
started to projects completed (similar, but not quite the same).

      
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I am a Craigslist bottom feeder and over the years have accumulated
enough free insulation to fully insulate my 25x40 barn.=C2=A0 Not as
easy as just buying what you need but very=C2=A0cost effective!
=C2=A0Matt Williams


SKILL SAW =E2=80=93 A portable cutting tool used to make studs
too short.




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From: Tom Dugan  To: OLDTOOLS  Sent:
Wed, March 9, 2011 11:01:04 AM Subject: RE: [OldTools] Drove a Nail
(bio update)


The canoes already get built in the garage. The shed would be for
joinery, mostly.

-T

> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 11:24:08 -0600 From: mike@g... To:
> oldtools@r...cornell.edu Subject: Re: [OldTools] Drove a Nail
> (bio update)
>
> A shop is always too small no matter how large you build it, usually
> by a factor of 15% or more. If you plan on making a 20 foot long canoe
> your shop will be too small. If you are going out there to escape the
> house and de-rust tools it should be fine. 8 x 12 is pretty small,
> especially if you have guests over. It is also a lot better than what
> you have now. Mike
>
> On 03/09/2011 11:12 AM, Tom Dugan wrote:
> > OK, not that I'm in danger of actually completing any projects, but
> > I'd like
>to hear some opinions about something I'm contemplating.
> >
> > Right now both of my "shops" are in unheated, un-airconditioned
> > spaces,
>leaving me little time to work in comfort. I'm kicking around the idea
>of sealing and insulating an 8X12 shed that can be heated and cooled
>with little trouble.
> >
> > Is 8X12 going to be big enough? Obviously, wood storage and large
> > power tools
>won't live there.
> >
> > -T
> > PS - Fitted out, the interior would be more like 7X11.
> >
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:59:19 -0600 From: w.taggart@v... To:
> >> eppler.kirk@g... Subject: Re: Re: Re: [OldTools] Drove a Nail (bio
> >> update)
> >> CC: oldtools@r...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 9, 2011, Kirk Eppler=C2=A0 wrote:
> >>
> >> :: Foul
> >> ::
> >> ::
> >> :: Foul
> >> ::
> >> ::
> >> :: This whole project process is rigged.=C2=A0 It requires
> >> :: completing stuff.
> >>
> >>
> >> Indeed.=C2=A0 If we count projects BEGUN or "in process", I should
> >> be a strong
>contender.
> >>
> >> 384 sq. ft. shop space (16 x 24), way too many projects "in
> >> process."
> >>
> >> And I note that the original challenge did not state that they had
> >> to be
>woodworking projects, or any type of project in particular - just
>"projects."
> >>
> >> I currently have a 4-cylinder sailboat engine spread all over my
> >> supposed
>woodworking shop, in hundreds of pieces.=C2=A0 The reassembly will
>begin soon, hopefully.
> >>
> >> - Bill T.
> >> - Who also gained a little more potential space last night in the
> >>   garage,
>with the sale of the spare car.=C2=A0 Wifey already has cautioned
>against filling up said space, however.=C2=A0 I did go out there last
>night and put the legs on my forge (which until that time had been
>disassembled and buried behind a pile of plywood) and stood it in the
>middle of the empty space, just to get a feel for where it might
>reside.=C2=A0 As one might imagine, wifey is thrilled at the thought of
>a coal forge operating in the garage, which still houses her car.
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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This sounds like an opportunity to add a "short end" to any structure that's
tall enough to tax.

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Ray Sheley  wrote:

> In my particular town in N.Y. the same rule applies, along with the proviso
> that it also not exceed 11' in height. Since my lot slopes and I intended to
> build my shed on cement pilings my question was which end? ( The short end.)
> Since N.Y. state property taxes are so high it was important that I don't
> add to the load.
> I have (2) wood sheds 8' x 12' x 11' hi  (Short end) in my yard.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Fisher" Sent: Wednesday, March 09,
> 2011 12:20 PM
>
> Subject: Re: Re: [OldTools] Drove a Nail (bio update)
>
>
>  The only advantage that I see to an 8x12 shed is that would be untaxed in
>> New Hampshire. Anything over 100 sq feet is taxed. :-)
>>
>
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OK=2C not that I'm in danger of actually completing any projects=2C but
I'd like to hear some opinions about something I'm contemplating.

Right now both of my "shops" are in unheated=2C un-airconditioned
spaces=2C leaving me little time to work in comfort. I'm kicking around
the idea of sealing and insulating an 8X12 shed that can be heated and
cooled with little trouble.

Is 8X12 going to be big enough? Obviously=2C wood storage and large
power tools won't live there.

-T
PS - Fitted out=2C the interior would be more like 7X11.

> Date: Wed=2C 9 Mar 2011 10:59:19 -0600 From: w.taggart@v... To:
> eppler.kirk@g... Subject: Re: Re: Re: [OldTools] Drove a Nail
> (bio update)
> CC: oldtools@r...
>>>> On Mar 9=2C 2011=2C Kirk Eppler  wrote:>> :: Foul
> ::> ::> :: Foul This whole project process is rigged. It requires
> ::> ::> :: completing stuff.
>>> Indeed. If we count projects BEGUN or "in process"=2C I should be a
>>> strong contender. >> 384 sq. ft. shop space (16 x 24)=2C way too
>>> many projects "in process." >> And I note that the original
>>> challenge did not state that they had to be woodworking projects=2C
>>> or any type of project in particular - just "projects." >> I
>>> currently have a 4-cylinder sailboat engine spread all over my
>>> supposed woodworking shop=2C in hundreds of pieces. The reassembly
>>> will begin soon=2C hopefully. >> - Bill T.
> - Who also gained a little more potential space last night in the
>   garage=2C with the sale of the spare car. Wifey already has
>   cautioned against filling up said space=2C however. I did go out
>   there last night and put the legs on my forge (which until that time
>   had been disassembled and buried behind a pile of plywood) and stood
>   it in the middle of the empty space=2C just to get a feel for where
>   it might reside. As one might imagine=2C wifey is thrilled at the
>   thought of a coal forge operating in the garage=2C which still
> >   houses her car. > --------------------------------------------------------
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The only advantage that I see to an 8x12 shed is that would be untaxed in
New Hampshire. Anything over 100 sq feet is taxed. :-)

I would build a couple of them, one for each type of project.

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Joe Parker wrote:

> Ok, it's time for an expert to chime in (Ph.D. Mathematics, Caltech, 1976).
>
> "space divided into anything" is the same as "dividing number of projects
> by
> shop space", i.e. (# of Projects)/(shop space).
>
> So, Scott wins unless his number of projects ("anything") is zero.  In that
> case we enter a whole different realm of mathematics and Scott needs to get
> to
> work!
>
> I'll leave the question of measurement units to the physicists out there.
>
> Joe Parker - a PHooey Doctor, not a Money Doctor
> Los Gatos, CA
>
>
>  ------ Original Message ------
>    Received: 08:08 AM PST, 03/09/2011
>    From: w.taggart@v...
>    To: stagers@m...
>   Cc: oldtools@r...
>    Subject: Re: Re: [OldTools] Drove a Nail (bio update)
>
>
>
>
>
>      On Mar 9, 2011, Scott Stager  wrote:
>
>      :: Well, given those rules, I win. Zero shop space divided into
> anything
>      :: is by definition infinity.
>
>      The rule was projects per shop space, not shop space per projects. So
> you're dividing number of projects by shop space.
>
>      - Bill T.
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The shed already exists. Otherwise I'd build it bigger. -T

> Date: Wed=2C 9 Mar 2011 12:20:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: [OldTools]
> Drove a Nail (bio update) From: ed.edwardgfisher.fisher@g... To:
> joeparker@s...
> CC: stagers@m...=3B oldtools@r...
>> The only advantage that I see to an 8x12 shed is that would be
>> untaxed in
> New Hampshire. Anything over 100 sq feet is taxed. :-)
>> I would build a couple of them=2C one for each type of project. On
>> Wed=2C Mar 9=2C 2011 at 12:17 PM=2C Joe Parker
>> wrote:
>> > Ok=2C it's time for an expert to chime in (Ph.D. Mathematics=2C
>> > Caltech=2C 1976).
> >
> > "space divided into anything" is the same as "dividing number of
> > projects by shop space"=2C i.e. (# of Projects)/(shop space).
> >
> > So=2C Scott wins unless his number of projects ("anything") is zero.
> > In that case we enter a whole different realm of mathematics and
> > Scott needs to get to work!
> >
> > I'll leave the question of measurement units to the physicists out
> > there.
> >
> > Joe Parker - a PHooey Doctor=2C not a Money Doctor Los Gatos=2C CA
> >
> >

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SNIP

(I work out of a 9x19 garage, which Tom has visited.)

This is my Sputnik Moment. The Space Race is on! Good thing I can define
the rules: "Who can complete more projects per square foot of shop
space?" Unsnip

I think I have a shot at this one. I have completed two projects in the
last three months. A cutting board I promised SWMBO two years ago and an
night stand to match the headboard I built five years ago. Can't even
say how long ago I promised that one. I also am almost done with a new
workbench.

All this has been accomplished in my garage workshop which if you factor
in family storage is only about 100 sq. ft. And I do have pictures to
show just how messy...and small it is.

Phil W Las Cruces, NM

PS Special thanks to Matthew Groves for his donation of Red Oak for the
   night stand. Thanks for getting me hooked on this thing.

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On Mar 9, 2011, at 11:59 AM, w.taggart@v... wrote:

> 
> > - Who also gained a little more potential space last night in the garage, wi
th the sale of the spare car.  

Noooo, Bill, not the Miata?!!
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In my particular town in N.Y. the same rule applies, along with the proviso 
that it also not exceed 11' in height. Since my lot slopes and I intended to 
build my shed on cement pilings my question was which end? ( The short end.) 
Since N.Y. state property taxes are so high it was important that I don't 
add to the load.
I have (2) wood sheds 8' x 12' x 11' hi  (Short end) in my yard.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Fisher" Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [OldTools] Drove a Nail (bio update)

> The only advantage that I see to an 8x12 shed is that would be untaxed in
> New Hampshire. Anything over 100 sq feet is taxed. :-)

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The canoes already get built in the garage. The shed would be for
joinery=2C mostly.

-T

> Date: Wed=2C 9 Mar 2011 11:24:08 -0600 From: mike@g... To:
> oldtools@r... Subject: Re: [OldTools] Drove a Nail (bio update)
>> A shop is always too small no matter how large you build it=2C
>> usually by> a factor of 15% or more. If you plan on making a 20 foot
>> long canoe your> shop will be too small. If you are going out there
>> to escape the house> and de-rust tools it should be fine. 8 x 12 is
>> pretty small=2C especially> if you have guests over. It is also a lot
>> better than what you have now.
> Mike
>> On 03/09/2011 11:12 AM=2C Tom Dugan wrote:
> > OK=2C not that I'm in danger of actually completing any projects=2C
> > but I'd like to hear some opinions about something I'm
> > contemplating.
> >
> > Right now both of my "shops" are in unheated=2C un-airconditioned
> > spaces=2C leaving me little time to work in comfort. I'm kicking
> > around the idea of sealing and insulating an 8X12 shed that can be
> > heated and cooled with little trouble.
> >
> > Is 8X12 going to be big enough? Obviously=2C wood storage and large
> > power tools won't live there.
> >
> > -T
> > PS - Fitted out=2C the interior would be more like 7X11.
> >
> >
> >> Date: Wed=2C 9 Mar 2011 10:59:19 -0600 From: w.taggart@v... To:
> >> eppler.kirk@g... Subject: Re: Re: Re: [OldTools] Drove a Nail (bio
> >> update)
> >> CC: oldtools@r...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 9=2C 2011=2C Kirk Eppler wrote:
> >>
> >> :: Foul
> >> ::
> >> ::
> >> :: Foul
> >> ::
> >> ::
> >> :: This whole project process is rigged. It requires completing
> >> :: stuff.
> >>
> >>
> >> Indeed. If we count projects BEGUN or "in process"=2C I should be a
> >> strong contender.
> >>
> >> 384 sq. ft. shop space (16 x 24)=2C way too many projects "in
> >> process."
> >>
> >> And I note that the original challenge did not state that they had
> >> to be woodworking projects=2C or any type of project in particular
> >> - just "projects."
> >>
> >> I currently have a 4-cylinder sailboat engine spread all over my
> >> supposed woodworking shop=2C in hundreds of pieces. The reassembly
> >> will begin soon=2C hopefully.
> >>
> >> - Bill T.
> >> - Who also gained a little more potential space last night in the
> >>   garage=2C with the sale of the spare car. Wifey already has
> >>   cautioned against filling up said space=2C however. I did go out
> >>   there last night and put the legs on my forge (which until that
> >>   time had been disassembled and buried behind a pile of plywood)
> >>   and stood it in the middle of the empty space=2C just to get a
> >>   feel for where it might reside. As one might imagine=2C wifey is
> >>   thrilled at the thought of a coal forge operating in the
> >>   garage=2C which still houses her car.
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> -----

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Bill T. asks:

>> What about the possibility of insulating one of your other=2C larger
>> spaces? >> I just called the insulation contractor today about
>> spraying cellulose into the open walls of my garage - primarily to
>> help keep that end of the house the same temp as the rest of the
>> house. The big room above the garage always is too cold in the winter
>> and too hot in the summer. I'm hoping that insulating the garage and
>> enclosing the walls will help that.>> - Bill T.

Sealing the one car garage=2C aka the current shop=2C is another
option=2C but that's about 5 times the size and hence about 25 times the
effort and cost. The shed would be quick and relatively cheap.

-T
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On Mar 9, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Joe Parker wrote:

> I'll leave the question of measurement units to the physicists out  
> there.

What if you don't have a shop and you made something?  I am thinking  
of that guy turning the chess pieces on the sidewalk with his foot.   
Or is the sidewalk his shop, and therefore very large?

Ed Minch

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What about projects 'in planning', 'under consideration', and 'just 
barely conceived'? Do they count?

Don, hoping this turn in the weather lasts for a while...

On 3/9/2011 1:02 PM, Thomas Conroy wrote:
>   Kirk Eppler wrote:
>
> "My money goes to Mike S (nicknaylo), as his shop is TINY."
>
> > Yeah, but he also completes things. Quite often, is my impression. Surely th
ere are some of us who have gone for a decade or two without completion?
>
> Tom Conroy
> Berkeley
> > Out of contention (as I have already completed something this year) unless y
ou factor in the ratio of stalled projects to completed projects. Or maybe proje
cts started to projects completed (similar, but not quite the same).
>
>
>
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Ok in Illinois my bench was a 5 gallon bucket, the shop was not much bigger.
I made a chair, never finished it.  It is out in the garage somewhere.  Just
needs a seat.  Our apartment in Indy I used the spare bedroom (the half that
wasn't full of junk).  Tablesaw, router and a few hand tools.  Tried using
the wall as a planing stop.  Dind't work.  I did build my brother a small
mahogany table for his wedding.  He still has it in his house.  

Bad Andy

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Thanks for the vote of confidence Kirk, Tom, but in my defense
I'mcurrently working on two projects, a plank chair that was started
inaught five when I glued up the seat and set it aside, and a
modellapstrake boat that was laid out in '03 and sat idle till about
amonth ago.

Michael-144 square feet of piled to the rafters galootism, with a
justunder (or is it over) six foot bench, of which I use the two
thirdsnearest the left side face vise.

 Kirk Eppler wrote:

"My money goes to Mike S (nicknaylo), as his shop is TINY."

Yeah, but he also completes things. Quite often, is my impression.Surely
there are some of us who have gone for a decade or two without
completion?

Tom Conroy Berkeley Out of contention (as I have already completed
something this year)unless you factor in the ratio of stalled projects
to completed projects. Or maybeprojects started to projects completed
(similar, but not quite the same).

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