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269764 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2020‑01‑24 Poster
Something cool:

https://www.ateefad.com/blacksmith-knowledge-
1701nhu?checkout=cart&fbclid=IwAR1gJaMlk4g6_w0g7ZEuJxbM-bPbUhBL6Lxawt_T-
xRAFUfkmmK_U7G-5U0">https://www.ateefad.com/blacksmith-knowledge-
1701nhu?checkout=cart&fbclid=IwAR1gJaMlk4g6_w0g7ZEuJxbM-bPbUhBL6Lxawt_T-
xRAFUfkmmK_U7G-5U0

Ed Minch
269765 John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> 2020‑01‑24 Re: Poster
Ed,

It would be even cooler if it didn’t have an error in the lower left !!!  The
printer transposed the “strength” characteristics.

Still looks so good that I might buy one!

John Ruth

Sent from my iPhone
269768 Matthew Groves <grovesthegrey@g...> 2020‑01‑24 Re: Poster
I know that making things like this is all the rage, but a part of me dies
inside when I see it.

It’s just a collection of images from the internet, put on a page, printed and
shipped for profit.

Anyone with blacksmithing experience looks at this poster unfavorably. 

Those aren’t really “types” of anvils. They aren’t even described by their
names. The tool group with numbers? Not really helpful without a key or legend
to describe them. John already describes the errors he saw.

I’m ok with errors, and I’m ok with coffee-table type books or even posters that
are mainly to be interesting to look at without really saying much or being
coherent.

Curmudgeon mode, perhaps. It smacks of the modern trend of knowing just enough
to stay ahead of those who know nothing. Would much prefer this person have a 5
minute conversation with a blacksmith to help them make the poster both helpful
AND accurate.  I’m not fiddling over minutia, these are basic basic
blacksmithing things.

It does say “knowledge” at the top, but it doesn’t contain much.

Matthew Groves
Springfield, MO 65802
269770 Tim Pendleton <tpendleton@g...> 2020‑01‑24 Re: Poster
Matthew wrote,

"It smacks of the modern trend of knowing just enough to stay ahead of those who
know nothing. "

 That really hit the nail on the head!  I'm going to keep that thought alive
next to two of my other favorite quotes.

 "Thinking is hard work; that's why so few do it."  -  Albert Einstein

 " There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for
themselves. "
   - Will Rogers

Tim



On January 24, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Matthew Groves  wrote:

I know that making things like this is all the rage, but a part of me dies
inside when I see it.

It’s just a collection of images from the internet, put on a page, printed and
shipped for profit.

Anyone with blacksmithing experience looks at this poster unfavorably. 

Those aren’t really “types” of anvils. They aren’t even described by their
names. The tool group with numbers? Not really helpful without a key or legend
to describe them. John already describes the errors he saw.

I’m ok with errors, and I’m ok with coffee-table type books or even posters that
are mainly to be interesting to look at without really saying much or being
coherent.

Curmudgeon mode, perhaps. It smacks of the modern trend of knowing just enough
to stay ahead of those who know nothing. Would much prefer this person have a 5
minute conversation with a blacksmith to help them make the poster both helpful
AND accurate.  I’m not fiddling over minutia, these are basic basic
blacksmithing things.

It does say “knowledge” at the top, but it doesn’t contain much.

Matthew Groves
Springfield, MO 65802

> On Jan 24, 2020, at 7:55 AM, John Ruth  wrote:
> 
> Ed,
> 
> It would be even cooler if it didn’t have an error in the lower left !!!  The
printer transposed the “strength” characteristics.
> 
> Still looks so good that I might buy one!

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269773 "yorkshireman@y..." <yorkshireman@y...> 2020‑01‑24 Re: [SPAM?] Re: Poster
Errors?

You mean ‘copyright protection’ marks?   - Anyone lifting thsi image and
reprinting will no doubt be sued by ‘Murican Lawyers who are able to prove that
you stole their image.

Dollar bills have had deliberate errors for ‘ever’ (other currencies are
available)  because forgers would engrave their plates ‘perfectly’  and a waver
in a line or a misplaced dot, can prove that a ‘perfect’ copy is in fact a fake.

Easy enough to take an image or several of our own, expand to A1 or A2, digital
print to order, and start selling.


Hey - a business plan!

reaching for the scaner and soe old catalogues..


Richard Wilson
Yorkshire Galoot
269772 Michael Suwczinsky <nicknaylo@g...> 2020‑01‑24 Re: Poster
Agreed, I was OK with the visual bits, nice to look at, the temper color
chart could come in handy, but those anvil "names".

I've seen these posters on a whole range of topics, no doubt sparking forum
discussions just like this one.

Michael-with some blacksmithing knowledge

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 8:43 AM Tim Pendleton  wrote:

> Matthew wrote,
>
> "It smacks of the modern trend of knowing just enough to stay ahead of
> those who know nothing. "
>
>  That really hit the nail on the head!  I'm going to keep that thought
> alive next to two of my other favorite quotes.
>
>  "Thinking is hard work; that's why so few do it."  -  Albert Einstein
>
>  " There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few
> who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
> fence for themselves. "
>    - Will Rogers
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> On January 24, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Matthew Groves 
> wrote:
>
> I know that making things like this is all the rage, but a part of me dies
> inside when I see it.
>
> It’s just a collection of images from the internet, put on a page, printed
> and shipped for profit.
>
> Anyone with blacksmithing experience looks at this poster unfavorably.
>
> Those aren’t really “types” of anvils. They aren’t even described by their
> names. The tool group with numbers? Not really helpful without a key or
> legend to describe them. John already describes the errors he saw.
>
> I’m ok with errors, and I’m ok with coffee-table type books or even
> posters that are mainly to be interesting to look at without really saying
> much or being coherent.
>
> Curmudgeon mode, perhaps. It smacks of the modern trend of knowing just
> enough to stay ahead of those who know nothing. Would much prefer this
> person have a 5 minute conversation with a blacksmith to help them make the
> poster both helpful AND accurate.  I’m not fiddling over minutia, these are
> basic basic blacksmithing things.
>
> It does say “knowledge” at the top, but it doesn’t contain much.
>
> Matthew Groves
> Springfield, MO 65802
>
> > On Jan 24, 2020, at 7:55 AM, John Ruth  wrote:
> >
> > Ed,
> >
> > It would be even cooler if it didn’t have an error in the lower left
> !!!  The printer transposed the “strength” characteristics.
> >
> > Still looks so good that I might buy one!
>
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Michael
269775 John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> 2020‑01‑24 Re: Poster
Tim, and GG’s:

Add this one to your repertoire:

“There is no expedient to which a man will not resort to avoid the real labor of
thinking.”
- Sir Joshua Reynolds

Thomas Edison had this quote on signs throughout his later West Orange lab. ( I
don’t know if he had them in his earlier Menlo Park lab. )

I’m writing this from my home in Menlo Park Terrace, hard by the former site of
Edison’s Menlo Park labs, which were moved to Henry Ford’s Greenfield Village
museum about 90 years ago.  Only one small masonry building from the Edison era
is left at the Menlo Park Site, now a NJ State Park.  Fittingly, there is a tall
Art Deco memorial tower topped with an illuminated sculpture of an incandescent
lamp.

John Ruth
269777 gtgrouch@r... 2020‑01‑24 Re: Poster
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gotten a dialog box saying 'are you sure you want to close this
window?'

If you clicked *either* answer in that box, please consider running
your virus/malware checker program.

Free advice is worth what you pay for it, YMMV, void where prohibited,

Gary Katsanis

	-----------------------------------------From: "Ed Minch" 
To: "old tools"
Cc: 
Sent: Friday January 24 2020 7:24:50AM
Subject: [OldTools] Poster

Something cool:

 To read the FAQ:

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269779 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2020‑01‑24 Re: [SPAM?] Re: Poster
Remember the large bookish looking road maps offered before GPS?   They always
had a fake road or two so they knew when someone copied them - which was quite
often according to what I read

Sorry to have inflicted this on all y'all

Ed Minch
269784 Michael Suwczinsky <nicknaylo@g...> 2020‑01‑24 Re: [SPAM?] Re: Poster
Sorry to have inflicted this on all y'all

No worries Ed, I had no way of evaluating the veracity of the Knowledge
posters about Running, knitting or canoeing (despite the Boy Scout Merit
Badge) and had considered the gardening one for the MIL.

Michael

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:50 AM Ed Minch  wrote:

> Remember the large bookish looking road maps offered before GPS?   They
> always had a fake road or two so they knew when someone copied them - which
> was quite often according to what I read
>
> Sorry to have inflicted this on all y'all
>
> Ed Minch
>
> > On Jan 24, 2020, at 12:47 PM, yorkshireman@y... wrote:
> >
> > Errors?
> >
> > You mean ‘copyright protection’ marks?   - Anyone lifting thsi image and
> reprinting will no doubt be sued by ‘Murican Lawyers who are able to prove
> that you stole their image.
> >
> > Dollar bills have had deliberate errors for ‘ever’ (other currencies are
> available)  because forgers would engrave their plates ‘perfectly’  and a
> waver in a line or a misplaced dot, can prove that a ‘perfect’ copy is in
> fact a fake.
> >
> > Easy enough to take an image or several of our own, expand to A1 or A2,
> digital print to order, and start selling.
> >
> >
> > Hey - a business plan!
> >
> > reaching for the scaner and soe old catalogues..
> >
> >
> > Richard Wilson
> > Yorkshire Galoot
>
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